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Warning: This article contains spoilers forThe Challenge: Battle of the Erasfinale.

“That has nothing do with Karma.

The only swimming I do in my regular life is swimming to the pool bar to get a mojito.

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Johnny Bananas Devenanzio, ‘The Challenge’.Credit:MTV

The swim was so far.

And just on the first day, we did that four times.

So we knew it was going to be a battle for a second.

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‘The Challenge’ season 40 finalists.MTV

Is there any checkpoint where you realize now that you could have overtaken Derek?

Yeah, I was ahead of him day one.

Third place is where I was going to be regardless.

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Jordan Wiseley, ‘The Challenge’.MTV

Jordan may have won when it comes to the final at the end, but I stole the show.

I mean, I’m taking that all day long at this point.

I’d love another win, but I go to make good TV.

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Michele Fitzgerald, ‘The Challenge’.MTV

True: There’s no alliance called “Jordan’s Angels” this season?

[Laughs] There definitely is not.

I can’t even imagine how you felt about that.

This is why I have trust issues!

They all stem fromThe Challenge.Literally nobody has my back except for me.

Leroy was just doing it to I honestly don’t know.

I wish I did.

I wouldn’t have done it.

But some people play the game differently, I guess.

Have you talked to him about it?

Has he apologized or explained why to you?

I didn’t realize that it was actually something that was going to affect your game.”

I don’t think it was done with any malice or ill will.

After everything that happened this season with Laurel, what’s your relationship like with her now?

It is just tough.

But I understand why.

So I do separate my relationships on the show from off the show.

Since theyre still going strong today, do you regret getting involved at that moment?

No, because in that moment, that’s exactly how I felt.

This was not a game move.

I’ve been there, I’ve done that.

I was stepping in as a friend, and there’s nothing I would’ve done differently in hindsight.

We really didn’t talk again, which was made up by him for game.

He likes to be able to dish it out and not take it.

What’s your relationship with Michele and Devin like now?

I don’t know.

Michele and I still talk pretty often.

My relationship with her is on much more solid ground than with him.

I haven’t really spoken to him much.

That’s going to take a while for his ego to recover from, if ever.

This interview has been edited and condensed for length and clarity.

The Challenge: Battle of the Erasreunion airs Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET/PT on MTV.