We’ve got good news and bad news for the Pogues whenOuter Banksreturns for season 4.

(The second five episodes debut Nov. “At least for a little while,” Burke tellsEntertainment Weekly.

“They’re getting older and the dramatic stakes for the relationships are deepening.

Outer Banks. (L to R) Chase Stokes as John B, Madison Bailey as Kiara, Carlacia Grant as Cleo, Rudy Pankow as JJ, Jonathan Daviss as Pope, Nate Bynum as Demp in episode 401

Chase Stokes, Madison Bailey, Carlacia Grant, Rudy Pankow, Jonathan Daviss, and Nate Bynum on ‘Outer Banks’.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix

“Definitely the biggest surprises we’ve ever done are this season,” he says.

The challenges are more external.”

“We’re seeing the ending of the bickering as they really commit to one another.

Outer Banks. (L to R) Chase Stokes as John B, Madelyn Cline as Sarah Cameron in episode 401

Chase Stokes and Madelyn Cline on ‘Outer Banks’.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix

That’s what the fans want to see.

That’s the core of the show.

“We wanted to check that that we honored the show and did it right.”

Outer Banks. (L to R) Jonathan Daviss as Pope, Rudy Pankow as JJ in episode 401

Jonathan Daviss and Rudy Pankow on ‘Outer Banks’.Netflix

“Who doesn’t love a triple date?

Who doesn’t love couple friends?”

“It’s the dream.

Outer Banks. (L to R) Madelyn Cline as Sarah Cameron, Madison Bailey as Kiara, Carlacia Grant as Cleo in episode 403

Madelyn Cline, Madison Bailey, and Carlacia Grant on ‘Outer Banks’.Jackson Lee Davis/Netflix

How cool is that?”

“They really create their own paradise.”

“Nobody’s on their back or running from the law,” he says.

“It’s the most beautiful thing.

It really feels nostalgic for season 1.”

And it felt that way for the actors too.

“So it was really, really fun.”

But of course, it only lasts “for a second,” he clarifies with a laugh.

“So it’s a different version of how they’re going after it.”

As for which Pogue is going to be the most invested in the hunt to find Blackbeards treasure?

“There’s a personal connection, and this is JJ’s year,” Josh teases.

“It’s our most powerful season yet.

The stakes are getting higher.”

“John B has a lot of trauma connected with treasure hunting,” Stokes says.

This comes with a price.

But some things that seem shiny are really just fool’s gold.”

Outer Banksreturns Thursday, Oct. 10, on Netflix.