Jean SmartandHannah Einbinderare in a blame game.
“Because Deborah you expect that behavior from….
So perhaps it is sadder and thus worse that Ava has that turn.”

Jean Smart and Hannah Einbinder on season 3 of ‘Hacks’.Jake Giles Netter/Max
So maybe it’s partly selfless, even though it’s also ambitious and selfish."
His argument has won over Einbinder.
It’s Deborah," she says, deadpan.

But Smart is quick to defend her character’s actions.
“There’s nothing worse than that.
Nothing worse than that.”

Feels like she had a reason."
“Nope,” Smart says.
“I would,” Ava replies, cocking her head.

Jean Smart and Hannah Einbinder on the season 4 premiere of ‘Hacks’.Courtesy of Max
“Wouldn’t you?”
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But what got them there?
The first two episodes ofHacksseason 4 premiere Thursday, April 10 at 9 p.m. ET/PT, on Max.